Wanted - small plot

[sharingdoodles]

this may not be the place but i really need to find some land -

Looking for a small plot of land to build a log cabin on for my family,
corner of a farm would be perfect
woodland, water, flat, hill, anything considered,
max price £3,000

[stockslave]

Welcome sharingdoodles Can I ask what area you are looking in and what you would call a small plot (area wise)? You'd certainly be struggling in my neck of the woods to find anything for £3000

[sharingdoodles]

to be honest anywhere in the uk would be considered, however the closer to shropshire the better,

as for the size plot, thats a hard one as i am not that good with measurments, however the cabin i have been looking at is approx 9m x 7m and i would obviusly need a garden area and drive way to go with it,

[stockslave]

I think you can basically rule out the south east, finding land here is like finding hens teeth. What little there is, is usually snapped up by lifestyle buyers or for pony paddocks at extortionate prices that even farmers can't compete with. I know, I've been looking for some time now and even rental ground is heavily competed for.... that's if it becomes available.

[sharingdoodles]

i have looked up a few farms in shropshire so going to see what land they have, only need a corner lol

[genuinerisk]

Hate to be negative but I wouldn't think you've any hope buying land for £3K that would be eligible for a cabin! You'll need permission to put the cabin up and if permission were likely, then it would cost an awful lot more than £3K...

[stockslave]

This might give you some idea:

www.uklanddirectory.org.uk/land-price-boom.asp

If you click on land for sale and the area you are interested in, you should get some idea of the prices.

[sharingdoodles]

i have been using google earth to find out the kind of space i need and i am only looking for something around 200/500 msq if i am reading it right,

so was thinking a corner of somewhere would be perfect,

as for location, shropshire is prefered (seems even more expensive lol)

i dont mind it being rough ground as i am willing to clear it myself,

[jc]

Do you know you would be allowed to do this?

If I went to put up a log cabin for my son to live in I know I would not be allowed to do so.

[sharingdoodles]

i have looked into it and as its a permanant structure i would need planning permission,

however after a lot of reading it seems to be more chance in getting the permission if only putting up a cabin as it wont spoild the surrounding area as much

that said, it could all go to peices but i not going to get anywhere unless i try,

i was thinking a farm as its remote and more likly to get the planning permission i need as they are forever putting up out buildings for various things

[stockslave]

Jul 31, 2010 20:50:20 GMT @sharingdoodles said:

i have looked into it and as its a permanant structure i would need planning permission,

however after a lot of reading it seems to be more chance in getting the permission if only putting up a cabin as it wont spoild the surrounding area as much

that said, it could all go to peices but i not going to get anywhere unless i try,

i was thinking a farm as its remote and more likly to get the planning permission i need as they are forever putting up out buildings for various things

I'm sorry to disillusion you but agricultural buildings come under agricultural permitted development rights and I'm not so sure a dwelling would come under that. See here for more info:

farmingforum.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=36080

[jc]

Sorry to disillusion you but I really think you are wasting your money. I actually know somebody who tried this on the farm they owned for their son to live in and it was thrown out by the planners.

[genuinerisk]

Actually, this type of request really annoys me. I did think about not saying what I think but what the.... Rant 101 coming up.....

Quite frankly, there are thousands - probably even millions - of people out there who would all like to buy a small plot of land and build a cabin, do the self-sufficiency thing and turn their backs - for a while - on the rat race. Trouble is, if everyone who wants to do that is allowed to, we wouldn't have much of a countryside left for everyone else to enjoy, let alone be as productive as we are going to require in the decades to come.

Our rural landscape is becoming ever more populated with dwellings of various sorts. With single parent families now the norm, everyone wants - quite naturally - to have their own space. But there has to be some sort of limitation on all this and, even as the current generation of 20 - 35 year old are products of the instant gratification society, it's time they started to learn that it isn't sustainable and they have to put the effort and time in first in order to be able to achieve their dream.

Maybe we should encourage more multi-generational family accommodations, whereby their resources can be pooled and houses can be used more efficiently - Heather would be a classic example, I'd guess! Perhaps this government should look at giving families like hers better tax breaks.

Anyway, I'm already fed up with folk wanting to opt out and thinking that their wish to build one little cabin or have one mobile home in the corner of some field won't make any difference because it does! We need to be utilising brown field sites, recycling them wherever possible. The costs to us all of having to fight those people who think it's OK just to stop and set up a home wherever they like because they are, allegedly, green eco warriors makes me see - well - red! We've had two such instances round here, both claiming they are special cases because they are 'green' and 'work on the land' - work on the land ? Bollox - one works locally in a commercial herb company and the other has his own welding business! What would be green would be for them to rent an existing property, not create another footprint on a green field site....

But no, we've all had to waste our precious time making objections and, even when the applications do get turned down, some smart arse solicitor acting for them on Legal Aid (which I and you pay for as a tax payers) sees a loophole and off it goes to Appeal...

Which makes me sound like some die hard blue rinsed Tory campaigner which I genuinely am not. I am happy to pay a higher tax rate and NI contribution in order for us to spend the money wisely and help those in genuine distress and to ensure that the housing stock is adequate - as long as we don't ruin our landscape to do so.

I really do blame all these arty farty, rose tinted good life programmes which litter our screens these days, as they are relatively cheap to produce. We know the reality of dealing with livestock and crops on a day-to-day basis and romantic it is NOT! Yes, it can be rewarding but it also physically hard, repetitive, isolating, heart-breaking when it all goes wrong, it hardly ever makes you rich - you feel grateful if you just break even. While it may seem fantastic when you're young, you can't begin to imagine how much harder it will become as you age and your fitness levels decrease - which they will.

So, sharingdoodles, I am extrmely sorry if any of the above offends you deeply and you may of course be the most deserving person on the planet but, obviously, you have touched a nerve with your request, hence the above venting!!

[heatherp]

Well............... how can I add to that ;D Thanks GR I appreciate what you said, trying to keep all family together on farm is a struggle. Lovely dreams sharingdoodles and I'm sure you have your families best interests at heart but life aint that simple !!!!!!!!!!

[jc]

Well genuinerisk I think you have said what a lot of us were thinking.

Quite frankly 3K is stealing land off somebody to put a house on - would anybody really sell it for that amount of money?