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Post by oldexplorer on May 27, 2009 0:52:57 GMT
I was surprised to find that at my local newsagent here in Thailand there are several cock fighting mags for sale. Here's one that I bought out of curiosity:   I didn't really know much about it, other than the fact that it's banned in the UK (very banned apparently). However, it seems that there are several villages in France where it's legal - many Brits travel to these villages to participate, and supposedly some actually keep fighting birds in these villages. The UK government seems to view it as almost worse than pedophilia. Of course cock fighting is cruel, but hardly worse than the barbaric halal abbatoirs in the UK which are licensed by the UK government.  |
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Post by nickfr on May 27, 2009 5:56:05 GMT
yes we still have cock fighting here but was told the best cocks come from Ireland
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Post by tj on May 27, 2009 8:48:11 GMT
Of course cock fighting is cruel, but hardly worse than the barbaric halal abbatoirs in the UK which are licensed by the UK government. - Old Explorer
Totally agree with you on that point.
The reason abbatoirs stun animals before they bleed them is simply because it is cruel not to. So why allow it for Halal ?
As you say it's barbaric.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2009 9:04:58 GMT
I hate the idea of cock fighting having seen some of my little varmints at it.
I don't like the idea of Halal either but OH used to work in abattoirs where it was done and said the worst part was the restraint systems, which I think have been modified. However I like to know my old ewes and any tup lambs that aren't kept as tups go to our local abattoir.
Did anyone see the Compassion in World Farming video of pig slaughter in Egypt?
That was the most barbaric thing I've seen in a long time.
If thoughts boomerang then I'll die a nasty death from 'swine' flu shortly.
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Post by mayo on May 27, 2009 9:38:56 GMT
Cock fighting is cruel and don't get me started on Halal/Kosher killlings, maybe if a few people who are in favour of it had their throats cut they'd change their minds about it.
Should be made illegal in the UK but liberal civil servant sorts won't ban it for fear of annoying Jews and Muslims.
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Post by nickfr on May 27, 2009 9:43:30 GMT
only 7 percent of the kill in the uk
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Post by mayo on May 27, 2009 9:44:33 GMT
I know it is only a small proportion but it should be banned entirely.
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Post by Aodhan on May 27, 2009 12:42:25 GMT
Going against the tide here....but while I prefer sheep to be stunned first, Hal Al isn't as bad as I thought it would be, now that I've seen it preformed.
Done correctly the blood pressure in the brain drops instantaineously and renders the animal unconcious. Much the same as fainting I expect.
The writhing that goes on afterwards I'd put down to reflex activity much like a decapitated chicken running around.
I would expect the amount of pain involved to be minimal.
Isn't it in that part of the world they have horse fighting as well?
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Post by tellarian on May 27, 2009 12:46:10 GMT
Also very big in the Philipinnes - every village has a ring and the rural towns it is even a major pull - called Sabong it is one of the national sports.
A lot of TV stations devote Sunday afternoons to it and - believe it or not -they are sponsored by the feed firms.
Gambling goes with the sport - all cash and not unlike the Deerhunter scene in atmosphere.
( I once had to bail out a drunken ex pat Scot who was in well over his head and do a runner!)
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Post by oxenboy on May 27, 2009 20:05:26 GMT
I dont like cock fighting,
bullfighting,
pit bull fighting,
badger baiting.
I dont mind boxing humans have a choice
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Post by nickfr on May 27, 2009 21:30:03 GMT
i dont like all of the above, and cant understande they are not band
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Post by mayo on May 28, 2009 10:30:21 GMT
Agree with that, Nick.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2009 1:09:15 GMT
so the ones against the cock fighting etc etc also supported the ban on fox hunting and all pest control FFS ! what ever ya do don't ever let the empire ever open the cubboard up the amount of bones that will fall out would keep world agri in phosphates for years ..
aodhan yep on the money and also from a person that works with animals haveing to fully understand there make up and reactions ..
before any one says stunning works don't be too sure on that most halal the animals now are knocked out but if left alone will come back around pistols they have miss fires and belive me ya have not seen cruel untill ya see what happens on a miss fire or jam ..
look hard eneff there will be cock fighting going on in the UK
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2009 11:30:39 GMT
look hard eneff there will be cock fighting going on in the UK I'm sure there will jdkid. I've just started reading Temple Grandin's Animals in Translation - it looks as if it's going to be fascinating. As I said above Halal is not necessarily cruel, but the handling beforehand may well be. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2009 23:58:56 GMT
yea there is a lot of bad press about halal alot of the vid's etc etc on the likes of u tube etc etc are the bad cases ..
done right it's not diffrent to how the solo butchers and older meat plants worked just where the killing is done and the way it is done ..
if ya saw the vid's of muppets driveing tractors on u tube would it be fair to class all drivers the same or the fella with the camper van pulling over to let people pass ..
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