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Post by 4wd on Aug 3, 2009 12:08:00 GMT
In a way I think he's brave to step forward with this view which many will sympathise with. On the other hand he signed up to do and go where he's told and to disregard that is a route to chaos. He has a history which does not make his stand so 'noble' as it might be! news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/8181624.stm |
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Post by geoff on Aug 3, 2009 13:11:51 GMT
As you say 4wd...he joined the army and as a soldier he should understand that he is supposed to do as he is told ...if he wants to make decisions he should put in for officer training and argue from the top....as a grunt at the front he has no clout....and now he has deserted his regiment and his mates ...would you want him in a battle situation with you ,knowing he did not believe he should be there ...i know i wouldn't trust him...as a deserter he should face his punishment ...and then be kicked out of the army without recompense or pension
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Post by oxenboy on Aug 3, 2009 20:05:44 GMT
Glasshouse for him, no excuse  He would have been shot in WWI1 and probably ww11, definitely a jail sentence |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2009 20:20:31 GMT
I always think it a bit strange when forces and their families moan about being shot at - what did they think they were signing up for.
However having met an awful lot of them I've never personally heard these moans, but I suppose the media must have this homing instinct.
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I agree with him, but not with his desertion of duties and comrades.
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Post by spike on Aug 3, 2009 20:35:27 GMT
Glasshouse for him, no excuse He would have been shot in WWI1 and probably ww11, definitely a jail sentence no doubt about that but in the case of ww1 a lot of them were suffering from shell shock and had reached the limits of human endurance they weren't cowards but mentally traumatised to the point of being not fit for duty.thank fully a lot of them have been posthumously reprieved.the ironic thing is the officers running the court marshals were sitting in a french chateau sipping wine when the tommys were going over the top.not much changes. |
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Post by oxenboy on Aug 3, 2009 21:28:30 GMT
Glasshouse for him, no excuse He would have been shot in WWI1 and probably ww11, definitely a jail sentence no doubt about that but in the case of ww1 a lot of them were suffering from shell shock and had reached the limits of human endurance they weren't cowards but mentally traumatised to the point of being not fit for duty.thank fully a lot of them have been posthumously reprieved.the ironic thing is the officers running the court marshals were sitting in a french chateau sipping wine when the tommys were going over the top.not much changes. No argument regarding the the above,quite agree that shell shock wasn't an excuse to avoid staying and fighting |
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Post by basilseal on Aug 4, 2009 7:19:27 GMT
Glasshouse for him, no excuse He would have been shot in WWI1 and probably ww11, definitely a jail sentence no doubt about that but in the case of ww1 a lot of them were suffering from shell shock and had reached the limits of human endurance they weren't cowards but mentally traumatised to the point of being not fit for duty.thank fully a lot of them have been posthumously reprieved.the ironic thing is the officers running the court marshals were sitting in a french chateau sipping wine when the tommys were going over the top.not much changes. The majority of the guys shot for cowardice in WWI were suffering from post traumatic stress disorder. if this chap was suffering from PTSD then it might excuse his actions, however his 'I don't agree with the war' defence is perhaps less less clear cut than a mental health problem caused by the stress of combat, especially as he appears to have been at large for over two years since he first went AWOL, so obviously he was in no hurry to make his point. |
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Post by spike on Aug 4, 2009 16:45:11 GMT
mind you if he was a genuine conscientious objector he could still have joined the army and become a cook or medical orderly.there were plenty conscientious objectors drafted during ww2 who stated they were against killing for any reason but still wanted to do there duty so most were made medical orderlies and saved lives.
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Post by basilseal on Aug 4, 2009 21:14:43 GMT
I'm reminded of Private Godfrey in Dad's Army, where they send him to coventry when they discover he was a conscientious objector during WWI and then, after he's rescued Captain Mainwaring, they find out he won the Military Medal as a medical orderly, one of my favourite Dad''s Army episodes that one.
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Post by spike on Aug 5, 2009 5:35:21 GMT
I'm reminded of Private Godfrey in Dad's Army, where they send him to coventry when they discover he was a conscientious objector during WWI and then, after he's rescued Captain Mainwaring, they find out he won the Military Medal as a medical orderly, one of my favourite Dad''s Army episodes that one. yup i remember that one well comedy of highest order,is it me but the office and such i dont get?but blackadder goes forth is genius |
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He would have been shot in WWI1 and probably ww11, definitely a jail sentence