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Post by spike on Jun 26, 2009 19:51:16 GMT
Col, The next few weeks are going to be much bigger than what we saw with Diana! god i hope not! another sycophantic outpouring of grief is more than i can stand. i concur,darn it i shouldnt have said that ;D
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Post by psycho on Jun 26, 2009 20:14:41 GMT
Not long ago everyone was talking about him being child toucher he was weird everyone has a right to be who they want to be but if your going to mess about with yourself changing colour taking endless drugs then you are going to screw yourself at some point . Had no time for him or his music and i still believe the ranch was sold to pay everyone off to drop there charges not to pay legal fees he was a very sick in the head individual .
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Post by oxenboy on Jun 26, 2009 20:40:30 GMT
sad news when anyone dies at a young age, but I didn't know him. I can relate to mum, dad,wife,kids or even friends coursing you exceptional grief but not for an entertainer who after all makes a living out of what he does.
no offense meant to others who think differently,but I probably miss M&W more
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2009 21:01:18 GMT
don't agree lee music seems to have greats that seem to be the best during that time i mean we say the beatles etc etc .. there will be other bands or people come along that people will say the next MJ or some group etc etc they not realy look at some of the classics those guys have been dead 100's of years alot of people know there music .. i grew up during a lot of MJ's greatest hits i don't have any of his LP's tapes or CD's his music did not ring any of my bells .. yes he would have touched alot of peoples lifes (in more ways than one ) but i draw a blank at relateing any of his songs to times and places same as diana realy seen the wedding on telly to big ears and sort of thought one of the kids may make a 1/2 arsed king better than there old man .. apart from people that know his music i'm not sure it will cross over time realy most of them were just songs you compare say "yesturday" to "bad" ..
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Post by lafemmenikita on Jun 26, 2009 21:27:21 GMT
[quote author=jdkid board=general thread=279 post=2898 time=1246050078s than one ) seen the wedding on telly to big ears and sort of thought one of the kids may make a 1/2 arsed king better than there old man ..
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this is treason surely? off with his head. you'll be wanting to remove the union jack from your antipodean flag next.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2009 23:42:57 GMT
HAHAHAHA i liked the queen mum kinda had something about her common i guess she just always seemed like some one ya could have a beer with and a punt on the horses with out feeling like ya nobody and looked down on .. thats why i think the boys maybe better ok they go to the right schools and done the forses thing be cool if they just got a common job say like a shearer just think the king up there in a black singlet doing the new years thing and the new queen a shedhand from the north island .. bet ya then they would have more following of the common man
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Post by phil on Jun 27, 2009 0:28:58 GMT
Did anything else actually happen in the world today? ? Typical press reaction! People that have done far more good in the world....have received far less, or even no media coverage!! Went to Aintree & saw MJ perform...took 5 hours to get out of the bloody place! He was a showman that certainly knew how to move to the beat...& I like some of his music! But the bloke was a freak & completely un-hinged!! I certainly can't/won't have any respect for someone that can hang a very young child over a balcony!! And if a bloke openly admits, on camera, that he sees nothing wrong with sleeping with young children THAT ARE NOT HIS OWN…then you have to ask what the hell else this freak thought it was ok to do with the kids? In the later years...what he did to his face & skin colour was hideous and a complete farce!! And, as is all too often the case with these celebrities, he let fame & fortune get the better of him! And some on here think he was an all time great? ?? I certainly won't be listing this weirdo as a role model for any of my kids!!
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Post by reidynz on Jun 27, 2009 7:15:23 GMT
With JD and most of the other posters on this - his music wasn't really my kind - odd song ok - but he was a freak and to put him on the same pedestal as Elvis and The Beatles is an affront to them. Sad as death is, I don't think the man deserves to be compared to Diana in terms of grief (unfortunately he probaby will be). Here in NZ I have just heard on the news that the Parks in all the major Cities are to be prepared for use on the day of his funeral for all his fans to attend a wake - what a bloody waste of money and how many are going to be absent from their work so they can attend this farce. A big dent in the productivity of our country I think. Lee would you give all your staff (assuming you have some) the day off if you have important work on and the clouds were gathering on the horizon? Of far sadder news to me on the day was the passing of Farrah Fawcett, a truly beautiful woman taken by a hiddious disease she had no control over - compared to MJ who it could be said has taken his own life thru years of drug abuse and weard behaviour. RIP both of them - but don't put the man on a mantle he does not, IMHO, deserve.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2009 11:10:42 GMT
Guys, Being well into music I've been to see a lot of bands over the years from all genre's. I had the privilege of seeing MJ twice both times in this country. All I can say is his shows compare to no others. He is in a different league to anybody else I have ever seen. The closest would be Live 8 but putting it into context - it was no where near to be honest. Personally I dont believe he was a kiddy fiddler but there is no denying his upbringing has played a part in the way he was, which lets face it was a bit weird at times. Its a sad sad day today. Ok Lee, he was good, but he was a showman, not a musician. If i want to see a good show, i will go to see something in the west end. If i want to LISTEN to music, i would never listen to Michael Jackson. Without the show to go with it, it was little more than musak. Fine if you like that sort of thing, but he can never be compared to the really great composers of all genres of music. I'm still playing guitar in a 'sham'atuerish rock band now, purely for fun; but in my younger days i've been in bands that have backed Pink Floyd, Humble pie, The Move, Manfred Mann and several others. Believe me, those guys could really PLAY. They didn't need the showmanship, it was all in the music. MJ was a good singer and showman. Nothing more.
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Post by basilseal on Jun 27, 2009 11:54:04 GMT
Guys, Being well into music I've been to see a lot of bands over the years from all genre's. I had the privilege of seeing MJ twice both times in this country. All I can say is his shows compare to no others. He is in a different league to anybody else I have ever seen. The closest would be Live 8 but putting it into context - it was no where near to be honest. Personally I dont believe he was a kiddy fiddler but there is no denying his upbringing has played a part in the way he was, which lets face it was a bit weird at times. Its a sad sad day today. Ok Lee, he was good, but he was a showman, not a musician. If i want to see a good show, i will go to see something in the west end. If i want to LISTEN to music, i would never listen to Michael Jackson. Without the show to go with it, it was little more than musak. Fine if you like that sort of thing, but he can never be compared to the really great composers of all genres of music. I'm still playing guitar in a 'sham'atuerish rock band now, purely for fun; but in my younger days i've been in bands that have backed Pink Floyd, Humble pie, The Move, Manfred Mann and several others. Believe me, those guys could really PLAY. They didn't need the showmanship, it was all in the music. MJ was a good singer and showman. Nothing more. He had a hit single at the age of ten, he made the difficult transition from child star to an adult star in his own right, which in itself is quite a rare achievement, he had the best selling album of all time, Thriller, and he virtually invented the music video. To say he was just a showman is understatement in the extreme, he may not be your cup of tea, that's fair enough, he wasn't really mine either, but he was a very talented man who had a vast influence over the music industry. I'd agree with lee on this one, i think he probably behaved inappropriately towards children, but not with bad intent, he was a sadly disturbed individual who appeared to have the mentality of a child in many ways himself, i think he wanted to be with kids because he's never really grown up himself.
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Post by welshdairyfarmer on Jun 27, 2009 13:27:50 GMT
Ok Lee, he was good, but he was a showman, not a musician. If i want to see a good show, i will go to see something in the west end. If i want to LISTEN to music, i would never listen to Michael Jackson. Without the show to go with it, it was little more than musak. Fine if you like that sort of thing, but he can never be compared to the really great composers of all genres of music. I'm still playing guitar in a 'sham'atuerish rock band now, purely for fun; but in my younger days i've been in bands that have backed Pink Floyd, Humble pie, The Move, Manfred Mann and several others. Believe me, those guys could really PLAY. They didn't need the showmanship, it was all in the music. MJ was a good singer and showman. Nothing more. He had a hit single at the age of ten, he made the difficult transition from child star to an adult star in his own right, which in itself is quite a rare achievement, he had the best selling album of all time, Thriller, and he virtually invented the music video. To say he was just a showman is understatement in the extreme, he may not be your cup of tea, that's fair enough, he wasn't really mine either, but he was a very talented man who had a vast influence over the music industry. I'd agree with lee on this one, i think he probably behaved inappropriately towards children, but not with bad intent, he was a sadly disturbed individual who appeared to have the mentality of a child in many ways himself, i think he wanted to be with kids because he's never really grown up himself. I agree with you Basil. His music was amazing for me when I was a teenager; I will never forget the thrill of watching Thriller on a large screen at all the local Barn dances! I am sorry he has gone, but I think it is probably better for him that he has; his look was becoming more and more freakish as time was passing and he would never really shake off the scandal. What I don't like is all the hysteria and outpouring of grief; it is NOTHING like losing a loved one/close family member.
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Post by stockslave on Jun 27, 2009 13:47:23 GMT
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I agree with you Basil. His music was amazing for me when I was a teenager; I will never forget the thrill of watching Thriller on a large screen at all the local Barn dances! I am sorry he has gone, but I think it is probably better for him that he has; his look was becoming more and more freakish as time was passing and he would never really shake off the scandal. What I don't like is all the hysteria and outpouring of grief; it is NOTHING like losing a loved one/close family member.[/quote]
I couldn't agree with you more.
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Post by basilseal on Jun 27, 2009 14:29:31 GMT
Very true, the thing is though, some people lead very empty lives, and have lots of time on their hands. Public out pourings of grief over the death of a celebrity are a kind of hysteria, but they are fueled by the media, the story becomes a sort of self fulfilling prophecy where the media create the news and then report it. this is a sort of side effect to the advent of 24 hour rolling news where there is a need to fill space in extenede news programmes.
The Madelein McCann case wasa prime example of this, beyond the news that the poor kid had disappeared, nothing actually happened, yet the 'story' filled our screens for weeks, and if you actually watched the news reports the vast majority were simply pictures of reporters watching other reporters and assorted nosey people waiting for something to happen.
the same is true for MJ, the media interest in him is proportionate to his importance to pop music and modern culture, but there isn't that much one can say, he was alive, but now he isn't, and er, that's it really. The 'fans' grief' aspect is just another angle to fill space, and the media will ramp it up. to the point where people actually begin to behave in a certain way because the media tell them that's the thing to do, and hey, you might get on telly.
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Post by nickfr on Jun 27, 2009 22:01:02 GMT
He had a hit single at the age of ten, he made the difficult transition from child star to an adult star in his own right, which in itself is quite a rare achievement, he had the best selling album of all time, Thriller, and he virtually invented the music video. To say he was just a showman is understatement in the extreme, he may not be your cup of tea, that's fair enough, he wasn't really mine either, but he was a very talented man who had a vast influence over the music industry. I'd agree with lee on this one, i think he probably behaved inappropriately towards children, but not with bad intent, he was a sadly disturbed individual who appeared to have the mentality of a child in many ways himself, i think he wanted to be with kids because he's never really grown up himself. I agree with you Basil. His music was amazing for me when I was a teenager; I will never forget the thrill of watching Thriller on a large screen at all the local Barn dances! I am sorry he has gone, but I think it is probably better for him that he has; his look was becoming more and more freakish as time was passing and he would never really shake off the scandal. What I don't like is all the hysteria and outpouring of grief; it is NOTHING like losing a loved one/close family member. this is what I THINK he was good , he was strange , very strange , and he was black but was not happy being black so he became white, sad way to live your life ,
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Post by lee on Jun 28, 2009 8:43:05 GMT
Well I am 34 yrs old and I've got stuff like elvis, beatles, stones, clapton, neil young through to kings of leon, macabes, gossip etc etc. There's blues, rock, pop, classical, techno, dance even African music in my record collection. There's about 1000 cd's, god knows how many mp3, casettes, vinyl and even some dat.
I am not an advid jacko fan and I don't think he is a god, but he was a genius. His weirdness, which I agree about, was down to bad parenting and relentless press involvement but I am sure he was not messing with children - (please google uri gellers interview about when he hypnotized him).
The point is he changed music more than anybody in history so far. You have to appreciate him for his work. The records he's set and awards he's won is unprecendented and probably will never be equalled.
If people think there are other live performances that match the show jacko put on then they have never seen jacko perform. Both the Bad and Dangerous tour were unbelieverable. Those shows 15 yrs ago surpass current shows today. I'd rather pay £500 to see jacko, than get into Glastonbury for the weekend for free because there is no comparison.
If anybody that helps us wants the day off, irrelevant of what were doing, they can do so whenever they want. If that's for MJ's funeral so be it because I'll also be watching on TV.
People's music tastes are different so if you don't like his stuff that's fine but listen to his contempories and the message is clear - he was the greatest.
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