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Post by mayo on Jul 8, 2009 11:10:29 GMT
If this is what democracy is supposed to be like as we see it here in the UK, then I say to the Chinese, democracy is over-rated and you are best off under communism!
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Post by mayo on Jul 8, 2009 11:14:59 GMT
If this is what democracy is supposed to be like as we see it here in the UK, then I say to the Chinese, democracy is over-rated and you are best off under communism!
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Post by pretender on Jul 8, 2009 12:42:23 GMT
I used to think I was a grumpy, flatulent, intolerant, git, but having read some of the threads on here, while still grumpy and flatulent, I am the very model of racial tolerance, which is scary.
People are just people where ever you go. They want the same things as everyone else, you know, to have somewhere to live, some thing better for their kids and to be left alone.
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Post by daveb on Jul 8, 2009 13:25:34 GMT
Can I ask, if this is a democracy and not a dictatorship why have we a prime minister who was never voted into the position in the first place? And why are the majority of our governing bodies corrupt? We don't vote for the prime minister, we vote for a constituency MP who represents a particular party. Churchill didn't come to power by winning an election, he succeded Chamberlain on his resignation, (Chamberlain wasn't elected either) Maybe that should be a start towards changing things in this country, if the Prime Minister resigns at any time during a parliament then the people should be able to vote for the new one from the prospective candidates. The whole system is a farce and the recent expenses scandal shows how little regard for the electorate MPs have |
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Post by phil on Jul 8, 2009 14:39:35 GMT
Looks like the Chinese authorities know how to deal with some o these extremists that seem hell bent on taking over the world!! Just a hint of irony about it though? Maybe the British Police that were on the streets of Luton, when our brave men & women paraded down the streets after returning home from active service, need to take note of how to deal with the real trouble makers? And no, I am not a communist either...before the usual suspects start with their nonsense! Now that would be a first....you getting something right. There you go...wrong again! Where have I said I want to live in a police state? Where & when can we look forward to this democracy you speak of? Despite the fact I have voted tory all my life...I am not quite ignorant enough to think that a change of Government will change anything in this country! It is too bloody late! about anything |
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Post by basilseal on Jul 8, 2009 17:14:30 GMT
[Now that would be a first....you getting something right. There you go...wrong again! Where have I said I want to live in a police state? the title of this thread implies you believe that the chinese authorities have the right idea in dealing with unrest, and that the british police should take note of their action. So, you want the police to go beyond their present role of upholding and enforcing the law, and have them dish out punishment to people you happen to disagree with. how would that not be a police state exactly? |
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Post by phil on Jul 8, 2009 17:57:12 GMT
[Now that would be a first....you getting something right. There you go...wrong again! Where have I said I want to live in a police state? Stop being so pedantic & twisting everything I say! It would be a start if the police were actually allowed to enforce the law! If the police had the powers to arrest me, on my own land, because I insisted a bunch of foul mouthed travellers left my property immediately... Using the reason (more like excuse) that I was "pouring petrol on the fire & antagonising the travellers" & therefore causing a breech of the peace! Why the hell didn't the police officers that were on duty on the streets of Luton exercise these same powers...when it was a bunch of rag-heads waving boards about & hurling insults & abuse at our soldiers (and, by all accounts, some bystanders)? Answer me that!! So don't ever preach to us about how travellers, rag-heads & other so called minority groups do not get preferential treatment! The only reason the police felt they shouldn't/couldn't move in & disperse or arrest these demonstrators ...was due to their race/religion! If you can't see that....then you really should open your eyes! And I would not mind betting that the ethnic origin of the lady that lied & cheated to get a place at a school for her son had a lot more to do with the local council dropping the case...than a "loop hole in the law" ever did! Unless, of course, this loop hole happens to state “this law must not apply to ethnic minority's...just in case it upsets them? Or upsets the wishy washy liberals that insist on making a song & dance about it" !! |
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Post by quanker on Jul 8, 2009 19:36:37 GMT
The Chinese police and army have got it spot on.
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Post by spike on Jul 8, 2009 20:03:34 GMT
The Chinese police and army have got it spot on. indeed they have james t  |
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Post by basilseal on Jul 8, 2009 20:37:31 GMT
[Stop being so pedantic & twisting everything I say! It would be a start if the police were actually allowed to enforce the law! If the police had the powers to arrest me, on my own land, because I insisted a bunch of foul mouthed travellers left my property immediately... Using the reason (more like excuse) that I was "pouring petrol on the fire & antagonising the travellers" & therefore causing a breech of the peace! Why the hell didn't the police officers that were on duty on the streets of Luton exercise these same powers...when it was a bunch of rag-heads waving boards about & hurling insults & abuse at our soldiers (and, by all accounts, some bystanders)? Answer me that!! how do you square using terms like 'rag head' with you previous claims not to be racist? |
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Post by quanker on Jul 8, 2009 20:41:32 GMT
[Stop being so pedantic & twisting everything I say! It would be a start if the police were actually allowed to enforce the law! If the police had the powers to arrest me, on my own land, because I insisted a bunch of foul mouthed travellers left my property immediately... Using the reason (more like excuse) that I was "pouring petrol on the fire & antagonising the travellers" & therefore causing a breech of the peace! Why the hell didn't the police officers that were on duty on the streets of Luton exercise these same powers...when it was a bunch of rag-heads waving boards about & hurling insults & abuse at our soldiers (and, by all accounts, some bystanders)? Answer me that!! how do you square using terms like 'rag head' with you previous claims not to be racist? Possibly the same way as the second in line to the throne. |
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Post by basilseal on Jul 8, 2009 20:45:57 GMT
context is everything, james old boy.
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Post by tj on Jul 8, 2009 21:35:04 GMT
The situation in China is quite different to that in the UK, but one thing the Chinese and British police (and anywhere else for that matter) have in common is that they are employed by the government of the day to obey orders and 'uphold' the law, and there the similarity ends. China is a large multi-ethnic nation of around 2 billion peple of numerous religious and tribal sects. The fact that their police are sorting out some Muslim dissent, is not really that relevant. Probably not a month goes by that they are not sorting out some uprising or other somewhere; its what they do. The media probably picked up on this because they happened to be Muslims which always makes a good story. China is not a democracy, and that is the way they keep things under control, and there's nothing we can do about that except maybe stop buying their goods. Here in the UK, the police are ultimately answerable to us the electorate, although it might not sometimes seem that way. But I do think that they genuinely try and uphold the law. If they appear to be biased in favour of some minority groups (e.g. travellers) then it is probably because they are following the orders of their political masters, who in turn represent us the electorate. If our politicians are not reflecting the majority view, there is something seriously amiss in our demcratic system. In many respects, we the electors are to blame. We live in a country where people have fought wars and died (and are still doing so today) for a free and democratic society, yet when there is an election, less than around 40% of people bother to vote. If we feel that we in this country no longer have a proper democracy, it is down to our own apathy. I hear many people say they don't vote because they can't be bothered, or they're too busy and it won't make any difference anyway. But I think anyone who wants to share in the benefits of a free and democratic society and maintain their British citizenship should by law turn up to vote; if they can't be bothered, then they should forfeit the benefits. Sorry if its wandered off topic a bit, but there you go folks.  |
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Post by basilseal on Jul 8, 2009 21:49:58 GMT
Well said there TJ
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Post by phil on Jul 8, 2009 23:07:15 GMT
The situation in China is quite different to that in the UK, but one thing the Chinese and British police (and anywhere else for that matter) have in common is that they are employed by the government of the day to obey orders and 'uphold' the law, and there the similarity ends. China is a large multi-ethnic nation of around 2 billion peple of numerous religious and tribal sects. The fact that their police are sorting out some Muslim dissent, is not really that relevant. Probably not a month goes by that they are not sorting out some uprising or other somewhere; its what they do. The media probably picked up on this because they happened to be Muslims which always makes a good story. China is not a democracy, and that is the way they keep things under control, and there's nothing we can do about that except maybe stop buying their goods. Here in the UK, the police are ultimately answerable to us the electorate, although it might not sometimes seem that way. But I do think that they genuinely try and uphold the law. If they appear to be biased in favour of some minority groups (e.g. travellers) then it is probably because they are following the orders of their political masters, who in turn represent us the electorate. If our politicians are not reflecting the majority view, there is something seriously amiss in our demcratic system.In many respects, we the electors are to blame. We live in a country where people have fought wars and died (and are still doing so today) for a free and democratic society, yet when there is an election, less than around 40% of people bother to vote. If we feel that we in this country no longer have a proper democracy, it is down to our own apathy. I hear many people say they don't vote because they can't be bothered, or they're too busy and it won't make any difference anyway. But I think anyone who wants to share in the benefits of a free and democratic society and maintain their British citizenship should by law turn up to vote; if they can't be bothered, then they should forfeit the benefits. Sorry if its wandered off topic a bit, but there you go folks. What do you mean "IF" ?? Surely it is blatantly obvious that a considerable number of our MP's only represent themselves...or their parties set agenda! |
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